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6/10
Awesome and then very NOT awesome
scdrrd23 December 2021
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I liked the story-telling method and the roller coaster thy take you on. And then, the ONE thing that could solve everything (DNA testing) won't be out until 2022. They spent 10yrs making it. Released it in 2021. Why the heck couldn't you wait ONE MORE YEAR so that this roller coaster ride could have an ending?!?! All these murder documentaries don't usually have such access and opportunity for closure. This one does! And you release the film one year before the answer is available?! WTF?! I feel manipulated.
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6/10
Speculative true crime
Calicodreamin17 April 2022
This doc fell into the speculative true crime genre. While an interesting case, the documenter had motives and most of the interviews dealt with opinions not facts.
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7/10
Tries to prove him innocent and fails
billsoccer16 December 2021
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Many of the complaints raised in the other reviews are valid - the skipping back and forth in time/evidence; the overexposure of the narrator, etc. However, after the 3rd episode it's evident the narrator isn't (completely) convinced of the innocence of the subject (named Weger) - unusual in these types of documentaries.

We see the usual tribalism - the accused's family, most apparently still supportive, and those still convinced of Wegers guilt. Most impervious to new (as well as old) facts.

Could Weger be convicted today? Probably not, not without DNA or more concrete evidence. The reviews of his various alibis and the troublesome evidence of his various sexual "adventures"* makes me resist the 'innocent' claim.

*Why didn't he narrator explore more the episode where he witnessed his sisters rape? And before you swallow Wegers lie about rescuing a raped girl - better listen to the 3rd episode! Finally, is it nature or nurture that causes his son to become a sexual predator?
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6/10
Guilty AF
Astaroth2220 January 2022
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Just watching Weger's interviews was enough. It's easy to recognize. You see, normal everyday people don't think like criminals, and yet, many apply those standards to them when evaluating their actions and words. It's not only silly, it's what the criminals rely on. Thugs & deviants almost never give the full story - even once they happen to confess. Of course it was sexual in nature which is exactly why Weger lied about it. Getting over on the Cops about that (or believing he did) was no doubt another source of thrill for this sick monster.

If the authorities continued to press there can be no doubt they would have gotten more and more information. That would probably include who ever else was there and/or anyone else who knew about it. And by that time, of course, Weger would have been shifting the blame to them. Here the police stopped short believing they simply had all they needed for a conviction.

Anyway, I guess the style of this documentary was to lead the viewer toward the "Weger was innocent" path then reveal towards the end that he probably wasn't? For what purpose exactly I have no idea. A good doc is neutral, gives the background, both sides, all the facts, and leaves the crew's emotions out of it.
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7/10
Urg.
kiramango317 March 2022
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Okay, so I was very interested throughout the episodes. So much information going this way and that which my mind really likes to play with. But, what I came out with is irritation. Why? Because the filmmaker went into this whole thing about DNA and other evidence being tested and how the results would be done soon, so it seemed obvious we would be finding out what the tests revealed, but no. Personally I don't need the story to be completely solved but if its not going to be then give us a clue before and DEFINETELY DON'T SUGGEST IT WILL BE. This ruined the series for me. Aside from this aspect I liked the series a lot and am way less critical than some are. Sometimes it feels like the whole world is filled with film school drop outs. Sorry. If it keeps me interested and engaged that's the important part.
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7/10
Costco
lawnmorgan5 February 2022
The documentary was like a stop at one of the Costco sample counters on a Saturday morning. After the sample is consumed you realize that didn't get enough of a sample to know whether you liked it enough to purchase, but sometimes you wished you had never tried it. After almost 3 hour sample I was left wondering "what was that?"
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6/10
Another true-crime TV documentary mini-series
paul-allaer27 December 2021
As "The Murders at Starved Rock" (2021 release; 3 episodes of 58 min each) opens with Episode 1 "The Bogeyman", we are at the Illinois state park called Starved Rock, and we learn that three Chicago women were brutally murdered there on March 16, 1960, sending shockwaves to the surrounding communities. We then get to know David Racugglia, a native from nearby Lasalle, IL, whose father was the prosecutor in the ensuing murder trial and who has been haunted by this case for decades. "I just want to get to the truth", he comments... At this point we are 10 minutes into Episode 1 of this TV documentary mini-series.

Couple of comments: this is the directing debut of Emmy-winning editor Jody McVeigh-Schultz ("McMillion$"). In this mini-series, he reassesses what happened now over 60 years ago. These murders shocked the surrounding communities, and in fact the nation, and the pressure to find the killer was immense on all parties involved (local and state authorities). Did they get the right man? That is the crux of this mini-series. McVeigh-Schultz tracks down many of the people involved, also benefiting from an earlier attempt (in 2005) by David Raccuglia in making his own documentary of it all. Just based on Episode 1, which I watched the other night, it feels like the director is approaching this even-handedly, and we are to make up our own minds whether the suspect (Chester Weger, a dishwasher at the Starved Rock Lodge) is or isn't the murderer. But what really is striking is watching the archive footage (mostly TV news clips) of that era, with white men literally controlling everything, which now feeling eerily strange and completely out of touch with today (of course it was 60 years ago after all).

"The Murders at Starved Rock" recently premiered on HBO Max, and is now available on HBO On Demand and HBO Max (where I caught it). I plan on seeing Episodes 2 and 3 very soon. I may have to revise my original rating of 6 stars, depending on how these remaining episodes play out. If you like true-crime documentaries, I'd readily suggest you check this out and draw your own conclusion.
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8/10
I am sure the investigators have interviewed the murderer(s) but have insufficient evidence to prosecute
Ed-Shullivan17 April 2022
This is one of those experiences that you wish you had seen what actually happened to these three innocent middle aged mothers at Starved Rock so that you could come forward and find the murderer(s) who are guilty of the crime. The unknown always provides for a good mystery story that requires solving. It took.

It took over 40 years to solve the Golden State Killer, known by various other names such as the Visalia Ransacker, East Area Rapist, Night Stalker, and the Original Night Stalker, but eventually after decades of clues and hundreds if not thousands of suspects Joseph James DeAngelo was finally arrested, convicted and imprisoned.

With any luck this documentary may refresh someone's memory or bring forward some actual evidence that will lead to the capture and conviction of the murderer(s) at Starved Rock.

I give this documentary a well deserved 8 out of 10 IMDb rating. I hope they find the SOB(s).
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6/10
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Perhaps the film maker was faced with the conundrum of freeing Chester or saving his father's reputation?

David Raccuglia (filmmaker) takes a 10 year pause in his journey to find truth and just happens to pick up shortly after his father (prosecutor) passes away... yet he couldn't possibly wait another 9 months to include DNA results?

I also found it odd that rather than focusing on new capabilities or hard evidence that could potentially solve a 50 year mystery, the filmmaker decides to spend 90% of the time interviewing his dad (the man who we clearly know where he stands on the subject) and taking testimonies half a century after the fact?

It would've been nice had some time been spent finding out more about Chester's one and only charge (rape) dating back to when he was 12 years old (A CHILD) and why he decided to take a break till his 20s to murder 3 women for no apparent reason (no sign of rape).

This here is no mystery folks, this is a story of a young boy born on the wrong side of the tracks.
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2/10
There's no ending.
NullUnit24 December 2021
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So.. sit through 3+ hrs of a story.. some of it interesting and overall the premise can be compelling... only to find out there WON'T be, in fact CAN'T be, and resolution to any of it until 2022...when DNA results come in... as stated in text on the last frame of the last episode.

Apparently this guy spent years making this.. like, a DECADE or more... but decided to release it 6 months to a year before there's any final resolution?? Seriously? That's some of the worst planning I can imagine.

So watch if you absolutely love never knowing the ending because all this series does is end on a cliffhanger.
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10/10
Eerily cool, instantly hooked. Leaning in on this one!
antoniocassone201315 December 2021
Outstanding from the word go. Bravo! I like how the filmmaker starts from the beginning from the time the murders happened all the way forward to it reconciliation.
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5/10
Ugh Seriously! *Spoiler*
wendypaczek7 January 2022
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I gave a gracious 5* for the work put into the Documentary. However, if you're not going to have the results from the DNA Lab work to reveal guilty or not guilty until 2022, fu***ng DON'T release your Documentary until 2022! After watching the three episodes and coming to our own conclusions, then just when you're waiting for the big reveal, it's psych ... the end.
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10/10
Fantastic documentary...
johnwiu15 December 2021
An unbiased depiction of a triple homicide at maybe the most visited & popular state park for any Chicagoan. I have visited this location a few times in my life & have never heard of this story but find it captivating irregardless of it being so close to home.

The Illinois justice system has the largest history of improper convictions resulting in reversal of sentences across the country most notably from the 20th century. This documentary explores the tremendous amounts of flaws in this investigation and in the criminal justice system.
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1/10
Waste of time
bcduckworth16 December 2021
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What a waste of time. Absolutely nothing concluded from this. Drop all the fluff and you have about 30 minutes of "we don't know anything more now than when he was convicted in 1961.
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8/10
Grew Up Near Starved Rock
wtrobins24 December 2021
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I enjoyed this documentary because I grew up near Starved Rock and have been there dozens of times. I was seven years old when the murders occurred and many people in the area were scared before Weger was caught.

My father told me that matching twine used on the victims was found in the Starved Rock Lodge where Weger worked. More on this key part of the evidence could have been covered, especially if it matched the twine that was used to bind an earlier rape victim at Deer Park.

While DNA from the crime scene is still being analyzed, as far as I can tell, it can prove Weger's guilt, but not his innocence. This is because their is no proof that everyone at the crime scene left their DNA behind.

Finally, the documentary was clearly too long and could have been easily cut by a third. The first and second episodes are the best. If you want to save time, skip the second episode.
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2/10
Not Bad But Needs Much Work.
helenahandbasket-9373421 December 2021
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Drags out the same info over and over the first two episodes, then dumps all kinds of heavyweight evidence in the third.

The first two I was somewhat on the fence on his innocence/guilt, but the 3rd exposes so much that should have been revealed earlier. As an example, sexual assaults and witness thereof.

There's multitudes of evidence that suggests early exposure to deviant sexual behavior can lead to a lifetime of maladjusted behavior and often leads to committing their own sexual violence at some point. Lots of evidence that he was behaving in this manner at a ridiculously early age and given that his son has his own issues, I'd say he was likely abused by someone at some point in his own childhood, or came to it by way of proxy to his fathers crime(s).

I would tend to agree with his new attorney that committing this heinous crime alone seems highly unlikely, however, I believe he was in some way involved all along.

I don't disagree that the police initially handling the case were incredibly unscrupulous and heavy-handed, but were acting within legalities at the time. Perhaps some evidence was forced and the confession could have been, but there's just so much evidence to suggest this man is guilty.

It happens often- people forget these now elderly criminals who are now feeble, soft and sympathetic were once very strong, dangerous and violent.
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8/10
Slow but Really Good!
tamika_dean3 January 2022
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This documentary contained a lot of information and really showed what people in the legal system can get away with.. It was another poster who claimed that the movie "failed" to prove he was innocent due to "sexual adventures". Yeah, you suck. I believe it did a great job presenting all sides with more evidence leaning towards his innocence. If you are sensitive to SA, use caution. If you are prejudice despite a high possibility of innocence, don't watch.
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2/10
True Crime Jumps the Shark
aarpcats18 December 2021
REAL journalists are taught that the worst thing a reporter or documentarian can do is insert himself into a story. It forces a POV on the viewers and clouds whatever truth the photograph, story or documentary tries to show. The documentary becomes about confirming the bias of the reporter and not presenting the facts.

However, the internet, the camera phone and social media have all but eliminated this rule of journalistic integrity. People no longer seek facts from newspapers, but turn to cable news channels that reflect what they want the news to be, not what it is. It has lead to a generation that believes the real world did not exist until they were born, and that, because they are so smart, no criminal case verdict is justifiable until they have investigated it.

In this series, Dave Raccuglia, a hair dresser (you can't make this up), decides to "reopen" a case prosecuted by his father against a man who confessed to the murder of three women in a park in Illinois in 1960. He believes that the killer, a man named Wegler, was railroaded by his father because his father was up for re-election. The hair dresser is deeply invested in absolving Wegler, and, although he has no background in forensics, law enforcement, etc., Raccuglia seems to think that interviewing countless locals for their opinions is the same thing as "investigation." He only interviews the people who agree with him, and the families of the victims are almost completely ignored.

It's bad journalism, bad documentary and bad television. It reminds me of the movement spearheaded by John Waters to free Leslie Van Houten, in which a group of LA hipsters are invested in getting Van Houten out of jail because "she's a delightful person who didn't kill Sharon Tate. She was brainwashed!"

Isn't it always easier to love a former prom Queen? But Van Houten did stab the LoBiancos. She admitted it. And would those hipsters would be spending as much time trying to free Leonard Peltier or any other nonwhite, non groovy, non Manson girl?

My college roommates was Sharon Tate's first cousin. She went to be with her aunt and Sharon's sister every time a parole hearing happened. She said it was, for them, like grinding glass into their hearts to hear hangers on and hipsters explain to her why the Manson family should be freed. What was it like for the LoBiancos? Never mind, she was a prom Queen, you know. She's too delightful to stay in jail.

People, your narcissistic desire to become famous by freeing someone famous may make you feel important but there is no virtue in being an true crime junkie. You are grinding glass into the hearts of the families of the dead. You are a true crime tourist, visiting their pain. The families have to live there.

We have a system of crime and punishment in our country that is imperfect. It executes innocent men and women, and it frees guilty ones. The weight of the injustice can occasionally seem unbearable. But that doesn't mean that all convictions were wrong. Nor does it mean that they were right.

Thee way to change it isn't by making armchair detectives of bored hairdressers. It's by making justice more equal, changing sentencing guidelines, removing politics from the prosecutorial process, and getting rid of confirmation bias.

This documentary series is one of the problems with the system, not one of the solutions. There are better true crime reporters on YouTube, and HBO ought to be ashamed of itself for broadcasting it.

A far better subject here would have been the psychological examination of the problems in the relationship between Dave Raccuglia and his father that prompted him to make this mess. And it would be far better for the true crime aficionados to realize that the crimes happened to real people with real families, and are not cosplay for their own psychiatric problems.
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8/10
Time Has Tainted This Case
madelyn328 December 2021
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The negative reviews on here are hung up on the editing and how the information was presented. Sure, there is some confusion on the way certain eveidence and POVs are presented but that just totally emphasizes the confusion of the case. The case itself was handled poorly as was the physical evidence, confession, etc. Dave Raccuglia had to sift through personal anecdotes, towns people accounts, official documents, and countless interviews to try and present the case. Raccuglias closeness with the case adds to the documentary more than it subtracts. Sure I can see the criticism with this, but it is enjoyable this way. The only criticism is how you are led to believe he is innocent and the last 20 mins presents how he is guilty.

Time has tainted this case in unimaginable ways and the audience is left with confusion, an aspect that cannot be avoided unless the documentary was released post DNA results. Weeger himself cannot remember as a result of 60 years behind bars and being asked to recount the case thousands of times over the decades. An interesting, creepy, eerie case that True Crime lovers will enjoy. As a True Crime fan myself, I enjoyed it but left with more confusion and questions than answers. (But perhaps that's not a bad thing)
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1/10
Hairdresser wastes time with narcissist passion project.
simonslater-4383317 December 2021
The Murders at Starved Rock is the worst of the "personal history murder mystery genre". In this documentary, a lost former hair dresser attempts to investigate a 1960s murder in his hometown, that his father prosecuted the murderer for. The filmmaker combines endless hearsay and conspiracy theories to cast doubt on the case. Unfortunately, the story is not really about the murder, rather it is about a lost son trying to prove to his accomplished father that he is a man of substance. This is a story that could have been resolved in therapy. The director's hair cuts, facial hair, and eyewear are funniest and best part of this series.
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9/10
Gripping well made documentary.
dayana4213 August 2022
Gripping well made documentary, hard to find nowadays. Fascinating yet sad story, definitely worth watching. The movie maker is the son of the prosecutor that put the suspect in prison, very interesting.
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3/10
Good, but....
kbrowncwa18 December 2021
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The documentary itself is good and at the very end everyone's excited because the ruling came down to let the evidence be tested for DNA. Then it ends by saying that the results will be done in 2022. What!? Why would they finish and release this documentary beforehand?! So basically nothing is resolved after watching this.
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9/10
Old school crime solving is scary AF
skygemini7010 March 2023
So many older crimes were "solved" with incomplete evidence and the assumptions and coercion of investigators who needed to make the community feel "safe," political involvement that needs the community's support, and so little scientific, logical, or factual proof. I went back and forth watching the first episode because of his "confession", but after seeing details of extended players in this case (suspects, police, family, clarification of the circumstances of the evidence gathered and not considered), I thought it was pretty clear (without spoilers here). Very interesting and once again scary to me how justice and closure are so intertwined and also so polar opposite. Reading review ratings here complaining of release date vs dna results etc, I think they're missing the point of long overdue questions vs trying to beat the clock on people passing away that were involved. Really good doc, interesting and sad story. Adds to my opinion of how truly scary violent crime is and how sketchy convictions and evidence can be.
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2/10
Great ingredients, poor execution
randymcbeast15 December 2021
This is a compelling story but as with many documentaries the editing and production is poorly done. A shame really since the ingredients are all there for an awesome documentary.

All they had to do is keep it sequential and make sure the information presented doesn't conflict. They weren't able to do this so it was a jumbled mess and in the end you didn't know what to believe. That completely contradicts the point of a documentary.

I will say that David Raccuglia did seem genuine and passionate about the subject and pursuit of the truth but once again the direction and production missed the mark. I wish I didn't waste my time on this one. I am now interested though but will rely on other sources if I want more information.
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10/10
He's innocent....
stevie42712 January 2023
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The documentary is very well done. There was injustices done 60 years ago and this documentary seeks to expose them. I had an emotional reaction especially knowing that Chester was exonerated in August 2022. This poor man lost his entire life behind bars for a crime he didn't commit. Instead, he was coerced and manhandled into signing a fake confession for some up and coming lawyer who wanted to prove himself. People complain that the filmmaker has "daddy issues" but in this case, he was proving that his dad stole a man's life. Kudos for the filmmaker for exposing this corruption and bringing new light to this old case.
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