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7/10
Altman gangsters
SnoopyStyle28 October 2020
It's 1936. Bowie (Keith Carradine) and Chicamaw (John Schuck) escape from prison and join up with T-Dub (Bert Remsen). They hide out in a rural community. Bowie is taken with Keechie (Shelley Duvall). They stay with Mattie (Louise Fletcher) and her family.

This is a crime gang movie done in the Robert Altman way. The story is pretty standard for a criminal gang on the run. The action is sometimes off screen or at least de-stylized. The focus is more with the in-between time and their naturalistic conversations.
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7/10
Altman drains the excitement out of the picture.
MOscarbradley20 October 2020
Edward Anderson's novel "Thieves Like Us" was originally filmed in 1948 by Nicholas Ray as 'They Live By Night', a 'Bonnie & Clyde' style gangster picture, falling somewhere between a film-noir and the kind of film Warner Brothers might have turned out in the thirties and it generated its own excitement. This version, by Robert Altman and made in 1974, kept the original title but Altman drew all the excitement out of it. This is a strangely bloodless affair. As you might expect, however, it's very 'cinematic', stunningly shot by Jean Boffety and very well acted by members of Altman's stock company but it lacks the buzz a good Depression-era gangster film should have. It's fatalistic and yet you never feel involved with any of the characters. It's one of those films you admire but don't actually like even if it never puts a foot wrong. Still, leads Keith Carradine and Shelley Duvall are superb and that's enough to be getting on with.
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8/10
Time to re-value Shelley Duvall
wrv-1685816 March 2018
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Film-history does not know any actress with looks, comparable to those of Shelley Duvall. Her performances of good-hearted, uncomplicated women, simple but not stupid, have become Duvall's trademark, Her unique face & body-moving add at least 10% extra to each film she is in.

Although 'Thieves like us' isn't Duvall's most famous production, it surely provides a setting that suits her talents excellently. Here we really touch on the best 'Thieves like us' has to offer: a magnificent picturing of the countryside in the state of Mississipi in the 1930s. Positively accentuated by the use of radio-broadcasts from those days.

'Thieves like us' dates from 1974. Watching it still provides you with a two hour experience, considerably up-valued by Shelley Duvall's performance. An experience that has in no way been dented by the passing of time. And probably won't be in the next 100 years to come.
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Just a word about the prevalence of Coke----
jshaffer-626 September 2007
Back to the 30's, folks. I was there, I know. It wasn't that you saw Coke everywhere, it was the only soft drink you saw. There were no machines with a choice. There was a big red Coke cooler sitting at the service station, another outside the grocery. Some of them were serviced by the local ice company, that is; no motor, just ice. A lot of times they had a padlock on them, in other places you just lifted the lid, helped yourself and left your nickel. Later they graduated to some with slots where you could put your nickel. No point in showing people in this movie drinking anything else, except maybe iced tea. No one else had the coolers, and so all you saw was Coke. Add to that the amount of fountain coke we drank. And it took Robert Altman to make us all think about it.
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7/10
Achingly ordinary...an asset for the subject, if not for the movie itself.
secondtake5 December 2010
Thieves Like Us (1974)

I really like most Robert Altman Films, but I never quite love any of them, even famous films like "MASH" or "Short Cuts." And "Thieves Like Us," which is a kind of loose remake of a favorite of mine, "They Live by Night" (1949, Nicholas Ray), is another really enjoyable, well made movie that lacks some kind of edge--creative, aesthetic, social, something--to set it off as remarkable and fresh.

You might get the most out of this by just settling in and enjoying it, a plot that purposely lacks some of the high romance of, say, "Bonnie and Clyde" or some other outlaw-on-the-run movie. But if you do see the earlier Ray version, which is based on the same novel, you'll at least notice the way movie production has changed from the great Hollywood years of the 1930s and 40s to the New Hollywood inventions of the late 60s, early 70s. This movie lacks the sheer beauty of the first, the perfection, made possible by studio shooting. Here, it is all location work (in Mississippi), which adds authenticity and atmosphere, but which also keeps it from the kind of tight control of a typical 40s film.

Another difference might simply be that this is a Altman movie and the other is by the inimitable Ray, who was able to fill his characters with humanity and heart, and so even lesser known actors (all of them) come alive fully. Altman's characters have all the quirks and nuances of real people, and though it doesn't feel a bit like a documentary, you do have a feeling that none of this rises above. It is meant to be grounded in a kind of realism that gives it authenticity over heightened drama. It's a choice I appreciate, even if it sometimes deadens the film.

The plot is important for how it makes bank robbers as ordinary as you or me (hence the title). The augment to this is that we are supposed to identify with them--or by a stretch, we could picture ourselves doing the same thing. But that's just not true. The robbers seem very regular and normal, but they also seems selfish and stupid. They plow ahead regardless of better options. And it's too often about money--money they never actually use (they live in squalor) or know how to dream about using (they have few dreams, in fact). The leading couple here does have a romance, and it's truly touching, but also tragic. Altman can't help but pull a "Bonnie and Clyde" ending, of sorts (slow motion violence) but it feels hard and nasty. Maybe it's supposed to, a reaction to police authority appropriate for 1974.

So what do we really have? A substantial, well made, restrained movie that plays a little too much by the book--the new book, the New Hollywood book, but a little timid cinematically.
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6/10
Not bad but story is predictable
rosscinema24 March 2003
I have always been a big fan and admirer of Robert Altman and I know this overlooked film has its devoted followers but I just don't think its one of his better films. They're is a lot to admire about it like the flawless detail and overall look of 1930's midwest. Altman has always been a stickler for details and how his films look and this one is a beauty to view. Great sets, houses, cars and clothing. Another thing that enhances the mood is Altmans style of filmmaking. He has always been very patient in telling his stories and that adds to the laid back personalities of the characters. Altman regulars Keith Carradine, John Schuck, Bert Remsen, Shelley Duvall and Tom Skerritt star here and they are all very good. Carradine's character Bowie has to take a good look at himself as he watches his cohorts rob banks. Duvall as his girlfriend seems to be his concience and its the scenes of them together that we really see Bowie reflect on his actions and his relationship with Remsen and Schuck as they rob banks. All the characters throughout the film talk about how they are perceived by others and it seems to really bother them. Altman uses old radio shows instead of music in scenes. During robberies its a crime show and when Carradine is making love to Duvall its "Romeo and Juliet" being played. And the use of the product "Coke" is very noticeable all through the film. Even when Carradine drives onto a penitentiary you see a Coke sign on a building. But my problem with the film is the lack of what Altman wants to say in this story. Altmans best films have this overpowering sense of immediacy but this one does not. It has all the interesting Altman touches but the overall story lacks his cynicism and bite! Joan Tewkesbury and Calder Willingham helped Altman with the script and I think Altmans hand was not used enough in this collaboration. Story definitely needed more help from him. Worth a look for Altman fans but certainly not one of his better films.
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7/10
Not one of Altman's best
Sergiodave14 August 2021
Cannot figure out all the 10 star reviews. A depression era movie about bank robbers might sound familiar, though doesn't have the humour or charm of the more famous movie. I do like the use of the radio as a soundtrack, very inventive and worth an extra star.
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10/10
Unjustly overlooked
craigjclark21 July 2002
This film may have been a box office disappointment when it was first released, but that's no reason why it should be so completely forgotten today.

"Thieves Like Us" was Altman's second major period piece (after "McCabe and Mrs. Miller"), and he gets the details just right. From the cars to the clothing to the ubiquitous Coca-Cola bottles, everything adds to the feeling that these events could have taken place. It, of course, also helps that he has actors who look like they fit the time period. Keith Carradine, Shelley Duvall, John Schuck and Bert Remsen were born to play these roles, and they get able support from Tom Skerritt and Louise Fletcher.

Instead of a typical soundtrack, Altman uses vintage radio programs to underscore the action (crime dramas during robberies, "Romeo and Juliet" during a love scene). It's a brilliant gamble that pays off and takes the film to a whole new level.

In short, this is one of Altman's most fully realized films. For it to remain unseen is a crime.
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7/10
Classic Altman
gavin69428 July 2014
Two convicts break out of prison in 1936 to join a third on a long spree of bank robbing. The youngest of the three (Keith Carradine) falls in love along the way with a girl (Shelley Duvall) met at their hideout, the older man is a happy professional criminal with a romance of his own, the third is a fast lover and hard drinker fond of his work.

This is the second film that Keith Carradine and Shelley Duvall worked on together, the first being "McCabe and Mrs. Miller". They would work together again on "Nashville" and Duvall would appear in more Altman films than any other actor.

The film was based on the novel "Thieves Like Us" by Edward Anderson, which was also the source material for the "They Live by Night" (1949). Whether Altman was familiar with the older film or not is unclear, as he expressed a liking for the novel and had Joan Tewkesbury write a script based off it. There is no indication the older film had an influence at all.

In order to make this film, the studio required Altman to make a film about country music, which would become "Nashville". As some consider the latter his best work, they have Altman's dedication to this film to thank. Others may enjoy this more, as it is a bit more like his previous film, "The Long Goodbye", which is the other contender for Altman's best film.
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9/10
Keith Carradine and Shelley Duvall as Lovers on the Lam
evanston_dad21 May 2007
"They Live by Night," the 1948 screen adaptation of the Edward Anderson novel "Thieves Like Us," and other films that have obviously been inspired by it, like "Gun Crazy" (1949) and "Bonnie and Clyde" (1967), have all been so good that it makes you wonder if yet another version of the same story is necessary. The answer is yes, because Robert Altman is behind this version, and if Altman proved nothing else as a director, he proved that he could take any material and make it his own.

Altman's "Thieves Like Us" is a beautiful and heartbreaking version of the lovers-on-the-lam story, with Keith Carradine cast as Bowie, the soft spoken, sensitive member of a trio of escaped convicts and bank robbers (the other two, Chickamaw and T-Dub, played by Altman regulars John Schuck and Bert Remsen, respectively). During a lull in their series of robberies, Bowie sets up house with Keechie (Shelley Duvall), a shy, simple country girl, and they take a stab at a sort of domestic bliss despite the fact that Bowie is doomed and it's only a matter of time before the law catches up to him. Meanwhile, T-Dub's sister-in-law, Mattie (Louise Fletcher), who has helped the fugitives because of family obligations, begins to tire of the example the trio are setting for her own children, and becomes an accomplice to the police trying to track down the criminals.

Previous screen versions of this story cast gorgeous actors as the lovers and made us fall in love with them. In 1948 it was Farley Granger and Cathy O'Donnell; in 1967 it was Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway. We fall in love with Carradine and Duvall too, but for different reasons. They are decidedly NOT gorgeous actors -- they're both skinny, ungainly and awkward. But they're both incredibly simple and sweet, and they have some lovely and naturalistic moments together that make us wish these two could just settle down, have a family and achieve their own small share of happiness. Altman constantly reminds us of the happiness these two are denied through use of an endless parade of print and radio advertisements that serves as a running commentary throughout the film. During a horrible depression during which so many people could afford nothing, Altman seems to be accusing the American consumerist culture of incessantly reminding everyone of what they didn't have. The way to happiness, Altman implies, seemed to lie in material comforts; no wonder the trio of men in this film prefer robbing banks to the alternatives available to them.

And there's another theme winding its way through Altman's version, one which appeared again and again in his work, that of frustrated male inadequacy. The men in this film turn to the most destructive behavior (thieving, drinking, sexual aggression) in order to cope with a world they feel they've lost control of, and this behavior is continuously juxtaposed to the feminine, domestic sphere represented by Mattie, eternally capable and resourceful, and resentful of the disruption the men bring along with them.

"Thieves Like Us" does not have that beautiful, ethereal sheen to it that characterized Altman's other early-1970s films, mostly because he did not use expert cinematographer Vilmos Zsigmond on this outing. But thanks to the winsome performances of Carradine and Duvall, and the touching representation of their characters' tentative relationship, this is one of his warmest and emotionally resonant films from that time period.

Grade: A
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7/10
Interesting depression era drama
jaybob21 April 2007
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Apparently this 1974 movie is a re-do of the 1940 classic THEY DRIVE BY NIGHT.

The excessive violence in the shoot out at the end of the movie is basically the same as in BONNIE & CLYDE (a 1967 film).

Above 2 lines are reasons why we should not complain about todays films being redo's of older movies. This is typical of Hollywood,

NOW for the good stuff on Thieves Like Us. Very fine acting by members of Robert Altmans stock company, Shelly Duvall,Keith Carradine. It is also Louise Fletchers first acting role & she was very good.In fact, there was not a bad performance from anyone.

This is a depression era dramatic,romantic comedy about bank robbers & there families, again like Bonnie & Clyde. I do not remember any thing about THEY DRIVE BY NIGHT .It would have been last seen over 60 years ago, thusly I cannot say how close this one is to that one.

One of the most enjoyable parts of Thieves Like Us is the radio background shows we hear throughout. The time of this film is 1936 so we learn about the way things were back then.

There are very few action scenes,the way they used to make films.

Robert Altman was a very skillful director & when you view this movie you can see why he was so well thought of. It is not a great film, Just a good movie you will enjoy.

ratings *** (out of 4) 84 points (out of 100) IMDb 7 (out of 10)
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9/10
Altman's unique, humanist approach to gangsters in the 30s
runamokprods14 August 2010
A gentle, slow, and moving study of some none-too-bright bank robbers in the 1930s. Keith Carradine and Shelly Duvall are terrific, and their scenes together are alive and wonderful. Some of the surrounding acting and story lines are good, but not nearly as strong as the film's center. Beautiful production design, and a feeling, as with 'McCabe and Mrs. Miller', of both tremendous reality, of 'being there', while still somehow feeling Brechtian and ironic at the same time. There are moments where the radio music in the background -- used in place of score - is a bit on the nose, and a few moments feel forced or slow. But this is a unique, odd and special movie, examining thieves in the depression without any hint of glamorization on one hand, or forced empathy on the other, while still breaking our hearts.
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7/10
Thieves Like Us - One of Altman's Best
JLRMovieReviews25 January 2010
As a rule I'm not a big Altman fan, but this tale of three guys who rob banks in the 1930s was very well done. It doesn't have the irreverent feel to it, like M*A*S*H and even McCabe and Mrs. Miller. (I didn't like either of those. But, I do like Gosford Park and probably my favorite Altman film is Cookie's Fortune.)

Keith Carradine provides the heart of the film and is great in his role, and Shelley Duvall is outstanding as a girl Keith meets and falls in love with.

Costarring Bert Remsen, Louise Fletcher, and Tom Skerritt, Robert Altman's tale of people making bad choices makes for fascinating viewing and should be watched at least once. It may not be as thrilling as "Bonnie & Clyde," but is in some ways a lot deeper with its thoughtfulness of who the three men were, what they wanted out of life and where they ultimately ended up.
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4/10
Curiously enervated, with thoughtful if disappointing period flavor...
moonspinner554 April 2010
Down South during the Depression, two wily crooks and a young man convicted on murder charges break out of prison and hole up at a rural truck stop. Robert Altman directed and co-adapted this second film version of Edward Anderson's book (previously made in 1948 as "They Live By Night"), and he's obviously in love with the damp, grubby milieu and characters. He gets some wonderful work from then-newcomers Keith Carradine and blithe, earthy Shelley Duvall, yet fails to drum up interest in the narrative. The trio take part in bank robberies but never raise much hell, while the interrelationships between the criminals and their familiars are so matter-of-fact that nothing comes along to surprise us. The screenplay (also worked on by Altman's associate Joan Tewkesbury and, for a brief time, Calder Willingham) is talk-heavy with lackadaisical dialogue; all the gabbing may indeed have the ring of natural conversation, but it mutes the film's pacing. The frequent radio broadcasts, vintage costumes and cars are fun ingredients initially, but with such a drab presentation (and hardly any light relief) one is apt to become restless with the lack of drive. Altman probably didn't want bold, vivid colors from cinematographer Jean Boffety, but what he did get--muddy-wet roads and paint-chipped old houses--is far too gloomy. The filmmaker takes his precious time presenting each scene, enjoying himself no doubt, but interest in these seedy lives is extremely limited. *1/2 from ****
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Was this movie made by the Coca-Cola Company?
mockturtle16 January 2003
This is one of Altman's very best pictures. As another comment puts it: it looks like he took his cast and crew back in time to the 30's and shot on location. The script adaptation is first rate and things keep moving forward even when we're sitting around just observing. The thing that makes this such a great Altman pic is the growth and unfolding of the characters over the course of the movie. There isn't a plot, but there is a story, and that will prove to be a crucial distinction, separating Altman from everyone and good Altman (this) from bad, aimless Altman (H.E.A.L.T.H.). The performances are excellent. Carradine, John Schuck and Bert Remsen make the absolute most out of opportunities they've never really been given again, Remsen is an old pro and Schuck really is unforgettable. Louise Fletcher makes an impression a year before her Oscar for "Cukoo's Nest" and an eternity of typecasting. Shelley Duvall tells a rambling, loosely-if-at-all connected story with the best of them. She always sounds like she's trying to spit out her lines as quickly as she can before she forgets them. Carradine falls prey to this during some of his scenes, particularly opposite her, but his composed silence makes him an ideal protagonist, someone whose almost visible thoughts define him even more than his actions. It's just that Duvall is the same almost all the time, and while that works for some actors it doesn't work so well when they do a movie in present day then 1930's right next to one another and do everything the same. Also, there seems to be something in her contract requiring shots of her screaming her blamed head off in every movie she's in.

It is impossible not to see how this film is influenced by "Bonnie and Clyde." If it weren't so darn good everyone's subject lines would read "Bonnie and Clyde knock-off." It is set in the same time period, and the artwork on the box recalls the earlier movie. What distinguishes it is the bond between the three escapees, and the box should really show the three of them, the title isn't "A Thief Like Me." I can't vouch for mirrors and reflections necessarily meaning that the film is about self-perception and etcetera, because often with Altman he just felt like shooting it that way. But go ahead if you want to, I'm sure the film is strong enough to support any such conjectures.

Coke. I've never seen so much of one product in a movie, even when Louise Fletcher comes out of her house she has coke in a glass, the prison in Mississippi is sponsored by Coke.

I've left out the best part of the movie so far. Altman runs radio programs over some scenes, like bank robberies, and behind other scenes, humorously commenting on the action. I wish he would have stuck with it during the last half hour a bit more, but it's a brilliant device.
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7/10
It's a Coca-Cola world...
JasparLamarCrabb8 March 2014
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Anyone expecting another rift on the Bonnie & Clyde legend are encouraged to look elsewhere. This Robert Altman film, based on the classic novel previously filmed as THEY LIVE BY NIGHT, is in a class (and genre) all its own. Bank robber Keith Carradine, along with two other cons, escapes from prison & finds refuge at the seedy gas station of Tom Skerritt. The three begin to rob more banks (rarely seen in action) until fate splits them up. Carradine ends up on the lam with Shelley Duvall, a bumpkin who seems to know nothing except movie magazines & Coca-Cola. Part love story, part bleak expose of life in the American south during the depression, Altman's film is wildly entertaining. There's bleakness mixed with a lot of comic moments. Carradine and Duvall excel in their roles and the supporting cast features many from Altman's "repertoire" including Skerritt, John Schuck, Bert Remsen and Louise Fletcher.
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7/10
A Low-Key Altman Tragedy
blakiepeterson2 May 2015
One hears of a movie being gritty and there's an automatic feeling of defeat. Gritty is to realistic as realistic is to tragic, and most go out to the theater to escape from all that. I bet you'd pick Singin' in the Rain over Love Streams, after all; you're only human. But Robert Altman doesn't do grit like Cassavetes or the Coen's — instead of consuming himself with shoddy realities, he finds the humor in the intricacies of everyday life, especially when those everyday mundanities are suddenly shaken and stirred. His best films, like Nashville or Short Cuts, are capable of being plain and true, but they are also capable of being hysterically funny and relatable. He invites us into the worlds of his films instead of pushing us away. There are no hints of man, I'm glad I'm not them — you suddenly correlate to their neuroses, good or bad, whether they're walking around with some drug pushers or they've just been knighted by the Queen.

The characters in Thieves Like Us only consist of criminals and the people who love them, but it's less Bonnie and Clyde and more Radio Days or A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. Like the latter, the situation is dire and the people lead difficult lives, but the story is told as though the narrator is sitting by the fire in a cozy brownstone in pre-Depression era New York. The words eventually move in a cataclysmic direction, but the events building up to those eventual thunderclouds are told quietly and affectionately, appreciating even the smallest of joyful moments. Thieves Like Us doesn't deliver what we might expect in terms of straightforward entertainment, but like all Altman fills, the naturalistic dialogue and no-frills style add up to something that feels home cooked, and, in this film's case, Southern-fried.

It's about outlaws in love (a trend popular in the early 1970s, as evidenced by 1973's Badlands and 1974's The Sugarland Express), young and stupid, caring and confused. They are Bowie (Keith Carradine) and Keechie (Shelley Duvall). Bowie has always been a sort of Robin to his criminal friends, the country boy who needs guidance to pull off a particularly difficult robbery. Keechie is the crooked toothed, naïve daughter of a gas station attendant. The first time we meet Bowie, he is escaping from captivity, having been kept in a chain gang for a previous misdemeanor. He, along with his deplorable posse, hide out with the owner of the gas station and continue on a path of bank robberies. But after a confrontation, Bowie is injured, Keechie acts as his nurse, and … well, you can probably assume the rest.

These people don't have much in the way of intelligence; they're small town criminals who live small town lives who rob small town banks. They break the law not out of necessity but because they just don't know what to do with themselves. But Thieves Like Us is hardly a glamour puss trying to make this crappy way of living seem cool; we exist only as a fly on the wall. These are not slick anti-heroes but screw-ups who probably grew up too fast, in denial about the repercussions they will someday face. When not acting as bandits, they lounge around in each other's company, reminiscing over biscuits and gravy while the radio drowns out quick glimpses of silence.

That radio, oddly enough, is always playing, always matching the actions of the characters or the direction the film is going in. The speakers project stories of danger or superhero headlining serials — they contradict the characters in Thieves Like Us, who are bumbling and messed up and confused whereas the goons that define the radio programs are clever and successful in everything they do. Maybe Bowie and company admire those qualities; maybe they're not smart enough to realize that they'll ever achieve that level of calculated perfection.

The moments between Bowie and Keechie, though, are what make Thieves Like Us so touching. They aren't blindingly attractive like the other "lovers on the run" archetypes of the era, and they aren't necessarily sure why the other is person is so appealing. What they do know, however, is that they love one another and will do anything to stay in each other's arms. There's a point in the film where Bowie lies to Keechie about a trip (which turns out to be yet another criminal excursion), and she freaks out like she's a bat-out-of-hell, going from the demeanor of the sweet, affable girl to the potential wife who drives you crazy but you love anyway. For a second, she considers punishing Bowie by leaving him — but she stops herself. She loves him, sure, but if she did leave him, what would happen to him, to her? The relationship is tender and poignant, with post-coital scenes that affect us with their feelings of mutual adoration as cigarette smoke flies and silences ring.

Thieves Like Us is an imperfect Altman film — unlike many of his movies, banalities are not always enlivened by their dialogue — but its intimate, sweet-sad pathos are grandiose even when things seem small.

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7/10
Realistic, Unglamorous & Non-Judgemental
seymourblack-117 November 2016
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This adaptation of Edward Anderson's 1937 novel of the same name, focuses on the exploits of a gang of Depression-era bank robbers and a doomed love affair. The characters involved and the ways in which they relate to each other are fully explored and their rural Mississippi environment is recreated in a way that's both very authentic-looking and aesthetically pleasing. Their story is told in a style that's realistic, unglamorous and non-judgemental but also significantly, with the accompanying sound of a whole series of radio broadcasts that are deeply evocative, often pertinent to what's taking place on-screen and sometimes amusingly ironic.

Three convicts serving long-term sentences escape from Mississippi state prison and hide out at a filling station run by Dee Mobley (Tom Skerritt). Gang-leader T-Dub (Bert Remsen), short-tempered Chicamaw (John Schuck) and youngest member, Bowie (Keith Carradine) soon get back to their criminal ways when they embark on a series of bank robberies with the aim of stealing enough cash to be able to live comfortably for the rest of their lives. T-Dub, as the most experienced gang member, masterminds the robberies which are mostly carried out without any problems.

The gang have a great deal of downtime between robberies and Bowie, who hails from the Ozarks and was serving a life sentence for murder, is strongly attracted to Mobley's young daughter, Keechie (Shelley Duvall) who also works at the filling station. The couple grow closer after Bowie is involved in a car accident and Keechie nurses him back to health. Although the couple fall deeply in love, there's also a constant tension because Bowie remains fiercely loyal to his fellow gang members and both he and Keechie are constantly aware of the danger that he's in as the authorities get ever closer to bringing a permanent end to his freedom.

Nicholas Ray's "They Live By Night" (1948) was also based on Edward Anderson's novel and interestingly there are some differences in the ways that the characters are portrayed in the two productions. In Ray's movie, Bowie had been unjustly found guilty of murder and after his escape from prison had misguidedly got involved in bank robbery as a means of getting sufficient money together to pay for the legal help he needed to prove his innocence of that charge. In "Thieves Like Us" however, the same character is depicted as a simple-minded person who has no regrets about what he did and has a propensity to keep allowing himself to be led by the wrong people. Similarly, the other gang members are portrayed as being equally simple individuals whose criminal activities (unlike in Ray's film) are not in any way related to the impact of the Great Depression.

The quality of the acting in this movie is consistently top class with Keith Carradine and Shelley Duvall brilliantly displaying Bowie and Keechie's awkwardness and lack of polish and Bert Remsen excelling as the ever-optimistic and good humoured T-Dub whose enthusiasm for his work is infectious. John Schuck also makes the volatile Chicamaw memorable by the sheer power of his performance, especially when his character starts to drink heavily and gets progressively more violent but also when his frustration drives him into self-destructive behaviour (e.g. during his second escape from Mississippi state prison).

Unusually, in this movie, some of the incidents which could have produced a great deal of excitement, suspense or drama (e.g. all but one of the bank robberies and the fates of key characters) are not shown on-screen. "Thieves Like Us" is unquestionably a very accomplished movie that's better appreciated now than it was at the time of its initial release but the decisions to make the characters less sympathetic than they were in Nicholas Ray's movie and to eschew the old "show, don't tell" adage were probably responsible (at least in some part) for its poor box office returns.
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10/10
Wonderful
amosduncan_200014 March 2006
As an Altman fan I have seen "Theives" many times over the years; it was to me the sort of film one admires rather than loves; it has a slower pace than Altman's big atmospheric classics like "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" and "Calfornia Split."

Since I caught up with the novel last fall I sat down with the movie last night; and I have to say for the first time I really agreed with the lavish praise heaped on the film by Pauline Kael, it may just be a masterpiece.

It is a film about how the ordinary were for a time drawn into the exceptional world of crime. The gallows laughter of the three killers is nervous and frightened; they know they are having a good old time while they can; dodging prisons where men cut there own limbs off to avoid being worked to death. Kitchee's specialness is a kind we would never notice in life; and in the film's lovely coda (diferent from the book) she melts back into the crowd, probably never to be touched by something transcendent again; and the cruel pop Christianity of the day drones on.

As the movie is unshakably shadowed by Bonnie and Clyde, the novel was partly inspired by the real life couple. Bowie's ability to break Chickama out of jail is better explained in the novel.

The film was not shot in Panivision so the video probably doesn't lose too much. Give this one a chance.
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6/10
Misses the mark
pmtelefon21 January 2024
I guess Robert Altman should get an E for effort for "Thieves Like Us" but it's a bit of a miss for me. It's a great looking movie. The set design and costumes are top-notch. The cast is strong but, unfortunately, none of the characters are likeable. At first, they are at least kind of interesting but at about the half way point, much of the interest fades. There is a distance between the characters and the audience. Altman's decision not to show what actually happens to the three lead gangster was a mistake. It further distances us from what is going on. Altman's use of old radio shows in the background was cool at first but it wears out its welcome after a while. I've seen this movie a few times now. I like it a little less each time I watch it.
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9/10
A Great Altman
Pamsanalyst21 October 2004
I am not an Altman fan, but this film is superb. For those who say he ripped off Bonnie and Clyde, check out They Live By Night and see almost the same story, but here the relationship between Carradine and Duvall forces us to root for them and hope that somehow they can change their life. Was there ever a bath more haunting than Duvall's?

The robberies are shot so matter of fact. There's no pounding score in the background, no elaborate plans are set and we don't see men looking at their watches, timing things. The radio plays, people swizzle Cokes and dogs bark, while the three men pull almost casually stroll in and rob the bank.

I am struck by the similarity between the last scene here and in From Here to Eternity: the lover of the dead man traveling to another place, while painting an idealized picture of their beau. Watch it and pay attention; it's a fine work of art.
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7/10
They Thieve by Night
kenjha1 January 2008
The novel by Anderson must not be very interesting because two noted directors have made average movies out of it: Nicholas Ray's "They Live by Night" in 1948 and this Altman version. At least Ray had the advantage of brevity; Altman's film moves very slowly and outstays its welcome. Carradine and Duvall don't click as well as Farley Granger and Cathy O'Donnell did in the earlier version. However, the supporting performances are better in the later film, including Fletcher in her film debut. This use of the radio as a commentary on the action is overdone, particularly in the scene where "Romeo and Juliet" plays on the radio while Carradine and Duvall are making out.
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8/10
Small Diamond in a Coal Mine!
shepardjessica9 July 2004
Another under-valued R. Altman flick (compared to Bonnie and Clyde), but more similar to Gun Crazy crossed with They Live By Night, has yet to achieve ANY kind of respect, critically or "financially".

In the 1970's Altman was cranking out quirky, Americana, hopeful, black comedies and satires, that this one slipped under the radar, just like California Split did. Keith Carradine and Shelley Duvall found themselves working with this old Cat and were never the same without him (any they knew it), but they got wonderful careers out of it, so pity the poor beggar as Dylan would say. Add in spunky, disturbing performances from John Schuck and Bert Remsen as ghoulish career small-time criminals, Louise Fletcher (just before Cuckoo's Nest), great cinematography as usual, and a simple story that scares some folks because it involves sacrifices, naivety, and hopelessness (almost).

A lot of people drank Cokes in those days like Shelley Duvall's character does (incessantly)...so what? What should she be drinking - Root Beer? An under-rated gem that will never be looked at for what it might be - a tale of survival with minimal options down the long highway of hope. An 8 out of 10.
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5/10
" There but for the grace of a thinking brain, go I "
thinker16911 May 2012
Several days ago I selected a book by Edward Anderson and read through it. It was so interesting, I borrowed the movie directed by Robert Altman and called " Thieves Like Us " starring Keith Carradine who plays Bowie. The film mirrored the book in many ways, but somehow lacked it's heart. The movie itself tells the exciting, but doomed love story of escaping convicts who form a Bank robbing group who's initial success offers the opportunity to flee to Mexico. Failing to take advantage of their bank robbing efforts, T-Dub (Bert Remsen), Chicamaw, (John Schuck) Dee Mobley (Tom Skerritt) and Bowie travel about the state of Mississippi robbing other banks, until an innocent employee is killed which escalates their F.B.I criminal status to wanted Murderers. Despite running from the police, Bowie falls for Keechie (Shelley Duvall) a naive farm girl who dreams of a better life. The characters in the group lack the romantic flair, familiarity or likability of other films like Bonnie and Clyde, but are interesting non-the-less. The cast also includes Louise Fletcher as Mattie. Despite it's roaring car chase scenes and shoot-em-up action, the movie fails to deliver the adventure quality of the novel. ****
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Coca Cola Cinema
tieman6415 March 2009
Warning: Spoilers
With "Thives Like Us", director Robert Altman takes such gangster films as "Bonnie and Clyde" and "They Live By Night", removes the nostalgia and mythos typical of the genre, and inserts a tone of disinterested irony.

The film revolves around a gang of four (Chicamaw, T-Dub, Bowie and Keechie), but with its omnipresent Coca Cola bottles, billboards and radio advertisements, "Thieves Like Us" seems more interested in consumption. Altman's criminals are myth buyers, consumers who are not only products of the American Dream (co-opting their images from radio shows and newspapers) but wide-eyed dreamers who fuel it as well.

Like "McCabe and Mrs Miller", Altman thus seeks to ridicule The American Dream. While most gangster films mythologise/glorify their criminals, turning them into heroes, celebrities or wild freedom fighters, Altman is less interested in pitting capitalists against criminals and the proletariat as he is in showing that they are all ultimately part of the same all inclusive system. As such, The Depression is never invoked as the cause of our gang's behaviour. No, unlike Nicholas Ray's 1949 take on the story, in which Bowie and Keechie emerge as brooding rebels, rallying against the world of social convention, Altman's thieves are tricksters and comedians, content to play games of bank robbery in parody of the institutionalised thievery they see around them. Consider the film's title, which itself is a line spoken by T-Dub: "them capitalist fellows are thieves just like us!"

But the biggest character in "Thieves Like Us" is the Radio. The Radio functions as a myth tradesman, spewing fantasies of love, glamour and Home Appliances to a populace who struggle to afford its prices. Indeed, with the exception of Chicamaw, the ultimate goal of Altman's outlaws is to simply acquire enough wealth to live out their own banal interpretation of the American dream: a car, a house, a wife and an easy life. Consumption and acquisition are the goals.

And so Altman uses the Radio throughout "Thieves" to create brutally funny, but ultimately pathetic, contrasts between the illusions to which the characters cling and the prosaic reality of their lives.

Consider how T'Dub's sister listens to "The Shadow" whilst the thieves play cops-and-robbers in the living room or when the radio squeals "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" the moment Bowie walks into the kitchen and offers to help with the dishes. Similarly, during a love scene, a radio version of "Romeo and Juliet" plays in the background. The result is that, at every turn, Atlman short circuits or undermines the romanticism of the gangster. The gangster on screen is precisely not the myth, rather, like we the audience, just another exploited customer who buys into it.

Even the film's bank robberies, usually employed as action or thriller set pieces in similar films, is here treated with disinterest. During the first few robberies we don't even enter the bank. Instead, Altman's camera remains outside with a waiting car, "Gangbusters" and "Seabiscuit" playing on the radio. During the third robbery, when we finally get to go inside a bank, Altman retains his detachment, yet also shows us the swift brutality of the crime (a man is matter-of-factly shot). Meanwhile, on the radio, President Roosevelt addresses the American people on the subjects of prosperity and security. Here Altman has flipped the previous bank robberies. The internal has become external and the audio has jumped from flowery romance to stark reality.

Gangster films typically end in bloodshed, our heroes marching into history or myth, their bloody bullet perforated bodies gloriously collapsing in slow motion, but here Altman forces us to meditate on these rules. When his climactic shootout occurs, Altman immediately cuts to the gangster's wife (Keechie). She screams in slow motion whilst the bloodless violence occurs indoors, obscured by a rickety old house. In this sequence we see how Altman operates. All traditional iconography is rejected, whilst what's typically denied is given precedence. The norms are subverted while the spaces that exist between them are given room to breathe.

Reversals like this take place constantly throughout Altman's filmography. Enjoyment of his films thus depends on the audience having an intimate awareness of what is being subverted, deconstructed and undermined, which is why Altman is so despised. Those who like his films like him for what he doesn't do, what he sets up and then rejects, rather than what he ultimately does.

"Thieves" ends with the pregnant Keechie waiting at a train station. As she sits, an evangelist - another charlatan - speaks on an overhead radio, delivering a passionate Resurrection speech to farmers and labourers about the need to bear burden and turmoil in silence; the poor need to learn to be poor for the "greater good". Keechie then strikes up a conversation with a woman sitting next to her. "My child," Keechie says, "will not be named after his father." There will thus be no resurrection. Keechie carries her burden in silence, refusing to let Bowie's death be mentioned and mythologized. But as she stands up and climbs the staircase, now an ordinary woman lost in a large and faceless crowd, we know what Keechie (Shelly Duvall) has become something else. She is another naive consumer, waiting to be seduced by the prophets of the airwaves. Significantly, this is exactly what happens within her next two collaborations with Altman. You might say that Duvall's character in "3 Women", a vacuous slave to social and corporate trends, is Keechie all grown up.

8.5/10 - Altman had a remarkable string of masterpieces during the 70s, films like "MASH", "McCabe", "Thieves" and "3 Women" defining him as one of the most idiosyncratic and prolific directors of the decade. Worth two viewings.
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